30 Responses to 788 – White Smoke Mountain • 154

  1. This has happened so many times that they needed a doppleganger rule?!?! Wow, that’s one mean DM… But I do like the rule. ^^

  2. I like the “password”, liked in it the movie too(not to mention it’s very true there as well). Morty should use reverse psychology on Zobbie(assuming it’s not a show and he’s already using it) to make her scout. Besides, isn’t scouting her one good shtick, especially now that Fleece is gone(seriously, has she done anything important but scout/play bait with her Animal Form?)? And clerics/healers should never be the first to any room, ever, unless it’s their shelter. “Last into battle, first out of battle” should be the healer’s motto, and for a sound tactical reason.

    Oh, and if this “Troll Eyes”(Darkvision?) is so important why isn’t Bunker’s wife doing anything, even as a DM-controlled NPC?

    • Because as a DM-controlled NPC the players may have some reason to not trust her scouting report? 🙄

    • Unfortunately the password thing might be less effective in D&D, since dopplegangers are also able to read minds.

      As to the second question, Morty volunteered first. (Also, Violet has no armor and has yet to display any “real” combat skills.) We also don’t know what kind of visual ability Violet has, since she’s just a half-troll. Low-light likely wouldn’t cut it. (And bringing a light source would blind you in the mist.)

      • Oh what tangled webs we weave when we’re spiders drunk so far off our tits we don’t know which way is up.

            • It’s a joke, I was sarcastically defacing a standard of Christian-moralist bullshit.
              The original: “Oh what tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive.”
              I thought this was a reasonably appropriate response to the notion of having players play the doppelganger that killed their character. Despite this I can’t let the bullshit resident within that saying go unchallenged. So I defaced it by talking about things that might weave literal tangled webs, while leaving it recognizable enough to serve as a reference.

              Seriously, it kills the joke to make me explain it guys. Try to keep up.

                • That’s a fair excuse if it’s true. Here’s suggested reading to get past that:
                  For general literary references the main sources are the works of William Shakespeare thanks to many uninspired and uninspiring English teachers everywhere (who think his works are still somehow relevant). Lots of meaty quotes come from Macbeth, Hamlet and Twelfth Night in particular and Twelfth Night may not be painful to read (some people like Shakespeare but I’m not one of them).
                  To understand the development of English since 1948 I suggest reading Nineteen Eighty-Four by Eric Arthur Blair (George Orwell). Lots of important terms like thought police and newspeak were developed in this work and its influence on English development is considerable.
                  Once you know this shit a whole lot of what native English speakers say should start making more sense.

                  • While I disagree with the school of thought that Shakespeare is “TEH BEST WRIT0R EVAR1!!!11one!”, I do think his works are quality and hold up under time. They’re still relevant in the way that Darwin’s On The Origin of Species is still relevant for biology; basically everything can be tied back to them / it.

                    Nonetheless, you give good advice. A viewing of The Lord Of The Rings (the movies miss a lot from the books, but honestly, 70% of what they skip isn’t important anyway. What does Tom or Sharky add to the story anyway?), Blade Runner (or a reading of “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?”), 2001: A Space Odyssey, some original Star Wars, and then some more popular movies like Terminator, The Matrix, etc. combined with AC’s advice could probably get you to blend in with 99% of an average native english speaker’s conversations.

                    Huh. That list has a lot of science fiction in it.

                    • It has a lot of SF in it because that’s what you’re into. Your hypothetical SF-hating neighbor would no doubt have trouble understanding you as well.
                      My main problem is with slang and the more country-specific cultural references, or commercials and and brands, since I don’t live there to watch it(for example, I wouldn’t get any Lost references despite it being a big hit a while ago, as far as I know). In fact I don’t get most of what passes for recent cultural references/jokes here either, since I don’t watch the garbage they put on TV here.
                      And finally I sometimes just don’t get people in general.

                    • To Orald:
                      People are not that complicated actually, figure out what their goal is and their behaviour is usually transparently obvious. Caveat: A lot of the time people don’t know what their goal is so don’t bother asking, analyze the behaviour.

                  • It is true all right. English isn’t my first language. Norwegian is.

                    I actually knew the original line about tangled webs too, so i actually got it was a joke.
                    I just didn’t know that you would treat the matter quite so seriously, that is all.

              • You just lost me at the “we’re spiders drunk so far off our tits we don’t know which way is up.” It still reads like nonsense to me, which seems to have been the point in the first place, yet I still don’t get the humor of just randomly saying words in this particular joke.