64 Responses to 744 – White Smoke Mountain • 111

  1. And that dear gamers is why you should PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION TO WHAT YOUR DM IS SAYING! Okay, got that out of my system. Seems I run into that a lot. But I’m too nice to just screw them over and not tell them what I just said while they were giggling at each other like a bunch of ten year olds in sex ed. I should learn to get over that.

            • Ah, so reverse psychology?
              Is there anything we can’t link to TV Tropes? 😉 On a side-note, I’ve never heard of that particular phrase before(the trope, sure, but not by the name they gave it) until last week when I stumbled upon it by accident. Otherwise you’d be the first one to point me to it.

              But the “it’s an old joke” side-note doesn’t seem to make much sense to me in that context, so i wonder if it could be something else he means.

              • Well to have heard of “Briar Patching” you would have to have heard of the Disney movie “Song of the South” which, thanks to an army of Political Correctness Idiots, hasn’t been re-released in a VERY long time (Someone actually mentioned the reason for that on the Briar Patching page, I belive)

                • I’m assuming it’s mostly because I’m just not American, not due to the availability status of a particular movie(not that I’ve watched many Disney films anyway). While I’ve picked up all kinds of stuff from movies, shows and the internet, it’s still not the “whole experience”, same a tourist spending a month in a country doesn’t truly understand it, no matter what new gods/drugs they discovered there.

                  • Just sayin, “Song of the South” isn’t even well known in the US, let alone overseas, so I’m not surprised the term eluded you until now…

                    • You can, kind of paradoxically, find it in Walt Disney World in the Splash Mountain attraction, which tells the same story, only with no actual (direct) reference to either the movie or the book.

  2. It would appear they have failed their spot and listen checks. Tsk. Too bad the only character who actually put POINTS in them is currently unconscious…

    • This is 4.o. Which means only characters with a good passive perception will notice. Or rather minor passive perception.

      • A cleric is bound to have at least medium, and usually high, PER due to his high WIS. In fact it seems harder to give a rogue high PER without compromising its build than it is for a cleric, or at least that’s what I saw in the short time I played 4e.
        Oh, and a “monk”, or whatever she’s supposed to be, would also have naturally high WIS.

        This raises a question, Kevin, given that the requirements for classes and bonuses for races have changed markedly between 3.5e and 4e, did they update their characters’ builds too? Would be kinda hard to play effectively without it.

          • You’re telling me a cheating munchkin like Martin didn’t realize he needed to do some major tweaks when changing game versions?

        • In 3.5 Spot and Listen (which would both be appropriate in this situation) were still Wisdom based skills. So not terribly different there between 3.5 and 4e. In both versions, monks and clerics would get their naturally high Wisdom bonus to the check.

          Now Search on the other hand …

          • I know, that just goes to show both of them should have better scores anyway. However it was also addressed at the unconscious rogue supposedly having better PER.

            • Believe it or not, all of this is accounted for. However, since this is a COMIC and not an actual game, I feel in no way obligated to show you more than an occasional peek behind the curtain. I will say that yes, Martin would certainly have considered the “necessary” alterations to his and Fleece’s characters. However, as has been previously mentioned, Fleece is unconscious.

              • I demand full access to all of their stats and gear! 😛
                You know that’s the only thing munchkins ever care about in comics/books.
                I’m not a true munchkin(semi-perfectionist, yes, but I’ll never bother like those people calculating DPS with every imaginable gear/spell) though, it just occurred to me that the question of them updating their stats(and gear, I suppose) in the transition to 4e never came up, AFAIK, so I had to ask. Not terribly important to me what their stats are, just wondered if they changed them on the way.

                And that raises the question of how troublesome is it to actually change your group’s 3/3.5e party to suit the new demands, system and play-style of 4e? Sounds like you’d have to rebuild it from scratch(especially all the new powers each level), so do you think it’s actually worth it to change versions or just carry on with the “obsolete” one? Personally I can’t think of a good enough reason to change mid-campaign. Too much trouble.

            • Consider that She was originally a fighter, who was Retconned into a monk. the DM might have let her keep her Fighter Stats (Wis = Dump Stat) while just giving her arbitrary monk powers.

              • That is exactly what happened, Elfguy. Fleece is not the “official” monk from the rules. She only has one actual class ability… but it’s a doozy.

                I played a group through the change once. We did have to recreate everyone’s characters, but it was pretty easy. There was only one player who didn’t like it, but in truth she was a pretty severe complainer who had decided that she wasn’t going to like it months before we actually changed over.

                (The reason we did this was because of a store promotion. There a massive discount on the new books if your in-store campaign switched… and we all wanted them. All but one, anyway.)

                • Sorry…I meant Freya (Referencing how HER spot check is probably pretty low) not poor Fleece (who, being blind and unconscious at the moment, has like a -100 to spot checks)

                  The Dwarf Cleric must have just rolled REALLY bad…do Dwarves get bonuses to spot secret doors in 4.0 like the V1.0 Stonework Knowledge ability they had?

                • I think you meant to say “Freya” and not “Fleece”.

                  And I can’t help but think of Christina when you talk about that lady who really didn’t like 4e…But I know it’s not true. Christina would launch a full-scale investigation, searching through multiple sources and quoting the hell out of any article on the matter before coming to a 3-page long conclusion. 😉

  3. Huh, I know what a brazil nut and peanut, but what is a wally nut?

    Also, regardless of whether they are listening to what I am saying, they tend to pay attention to the game when I start putting enemy models in threatening positions against their characters…

    • What do you call nuts on the wall?
      Walnuts.

      What do you call nuts on your chest?
      Chestnuts.

      What do you call nuts on your chin?
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      Blow job. :mrgreen:

    • “they tend to pay attention to the game when I start putting enemy models in threatening positions against their characters…”

      Ok, I had to laugh at this because there is at least one person in Kevin’s game that this *still* doesn’t work against. You can put the monsters on the board, and maybe 5 minutes later, when it’s her turn to act, you’ll hear her cry, “Wait, where did *that* thing come from? Oh, we’re in a fight now? When did that happen?”

      LOL

  4. How much thought do you actually put into rules and which edition they are playing when you write the comic Kevin? Seems like people are always calling that into question, as any real gamer would, but I’m curious if it even occurs to you while you sit down and write/draw the comic or if you’re just going for what you find amusing at the time. Somehow I picture you drawing it saying to yourself “Roll for damage. You missed your spot check. What applies here, 3.5 or 4E?” DM stuff.

  5. The strip was 3.5 when it started, and switched to 4.0 around number 297 or so.

    To be honest, I don’t directly think of the game in regards to the story, but I consider it constantly when I’m thinking about jokes. The story is about the characters, but the setting is kind of a ridiculous place for a story to be taking place, which can make it funny. I bend a lot of rules and just throw some away completely, but this is also the way I play my actual game, so it’s not all that different. The game should never get in the way of the fun. Or the funny.

    People ask about the rules all the time because it’s a common element they have and understand, and it gives them an easy in to identify with the comic. It’s not a bad thing, but you can get bogged down in it you let it continue unabated, and that is REALLY not what I’m here for. Ultimately a comic and a game are two different animals, and should be looked at that way.

    • I’m picturing the Comic Store Guy from The Simpsons nitpicking your comic for violations and bending of 4e rules. 😆

      Speaking of nitpicking, should I write it as 4e or 4.0e given that there’s no 4.5e and the previous “whole numbers” versions are without the decimal points(e.g 1&2&3 vs just 3.5)? Is there an official way to write it?

  6. I’m still wondering about the Wish/Invisibility ring…is Fleece still carrying it? Could make the dialog here very Ironic if Fleece winds up using it for exactly what Martin was calling “Stupid”…by bringing HIM back to life.

    • Lying on the floor unconscious presumably…Freya does, however, appear to be checking her heartrate or something.

    • She was just sort of indicating in the direction of her heart while she talked about heart rates. She’s not actually doing anything. We would call this an example of over-analyzation. 😉

        • She’s obviously trying to seduce Morty. At the last panel he even admits he’s very hungry, and NOT for nuts(I could go into what body part nuts represent, the intimate, close companionship of a shared meal and Freya’s hints at her elevated heart rate due to erotic excitement, but I guess I just did).
          I really need some sleep now.