53-Reversal of Fortune

Morality, Religion, and Politics

Since the logical arguments are lost on me, it makes sense for me to explore other, less logical avenues to shine a little light on this question. The first of these would be the moral angle.

Now I have heard proponents of a constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage say that the morals of a nation are absolute, and that anyone who tells you different is not only wrong, but the worst sort of irresponsible promulgator of the ethics of evil and depravity and should be removed as an enemy of society and this great nation. (Perhaps this fellow is not entirely representative of the cause.) Putting the judgments aside, the notion seems false on it’s very face. There was a time not so long ago that keeping a slave was moral behavior, along with the excessively harsh treatment that was only considered responsible in order to keep your slaves cowed and obedient. After all, morally upright and virtuous folks all knew that blacks weren’t really like humans. Not the way white people were.

A husband was considered lax in his duties if he did not beat his wife for such public displays as speaking out of turn or showing her ankle. And it seemed certain that the world was about to end for the morally upstanding when the radio was discovered, keeping people from reading. And then when the TV was discovered, keeping people from listening to the radio. And then when women were allowed to vote, stealing control of the nation from more sober-minded and responsible men. And then when blacks and whites were allowed to intermarry, which destroyed the institution of marriage. (Hey, wait a minute…)

Add to this that there are a hefty proportion of folks in the country that have no moral qualms with same sex marriage, and to me, morality doesn’t seem to have much play. Morality has ended up on the wrong side of the fence over and over again, and we can’t even agree that it’s relevant to begin with. For me, toss this one out of the argument. Morality is an essential part of any human society, but it doesn’t answer any questions here.

Religion looks even worse. Time and again, I hear the defenders of marriage begin their sentences with “It says in the bible…” Now I have to be honest here. I don’t care what it says in the bible about same sex marriage. It’s a book, it was printed by people with agendas, and the world was a different place then. Now I do consider myself a Christian, (and I understand opinions may differ on that point) but my relationship with God is not wrapped in that book. This is relevant because I am a U.S. citizen, and for now we continue to enjoy separation of church and state. That means that any argument that begins with “It says in the bible…” gets immediately thrown out the window. It doesn’t matter what God said on the issue, He’s not allowed to make our laws. I’m honestly not trying to be confrontational about it, but in order to convince me of the wrongness of same sex marriage, you’d have to leave God out of it.

So now we’re left with politics. I think we’re all agreed that nothing these people have to say is going to help us in the least. A politician with a hundred thousand constituents is not a leader of a hundred thousand people. He is a follower trying to trail behind a hundred thousand people all at once. He is no help at all.

So what am I left with? Do you see my quagmire? Do you sympathize with my plight, or do you dislike me for not understanding you? Once we remove the ideas that seem larger than ourselves behind which we stand in the shadow of their causes, we are left blinking, exposed in the light. Our ideas must withstand or fall on their—and our—own merits.

So without God to say, and without Logic to say, and without morality or politics to say, can you still say? What’s left? Just me, or you, saying “You shouldn’t do that because I don’t like it.” I call this the “Ick factor.” It’s icky to me, and I don’t want to have to think about you doing it. But you know what? Honest, forthright, God-fearing Americans do lots of stuff I don’t like thinking about. But one thing I truly feel to the core of my being is that I do not possess the right to tell anyone else how to live their lives. I wouldn’t do it. And I sure as hell wouldn’t take it from anyone else either.

I still don’t understand, though I feel a little better for having asked the questions. If you think you can help me please do respond. Be aware that whereas I have no issues with anyone disagreeing with me, rudeness and “flames” will merely be deleted before anyone sees them, and no one will ever know your opinion.

Is your marriage threatened?

9 Responses to 53-Reversal of Fortune

  1. Not married, but it wouldn’t be by gays or lesbian couples getting married if I were. The only thing that could make a difference to it would be if myself and spouse didn’t have the same reasons and desires for being married, or close enough to find commonality.

  2. I know I’m a little late to be throwing in my opinion… but I think it needs to be said… I have ABSOLUTELY no problem what so ever with what people do in the privacy of their own homes. It is not my place or right (nor anyone else’s) to tell them what they can and can’t do with themselves. I think that gay marriages should be legal.
    I think the trade off should be an end to gay rights parades. Historically, parades have been held to honor people who have risked their lives so that others may live. Parades have been held to promote politicians and sports events. Personally, I think that holding a parade because someone is willing to “take it up the pooper” cheapens and degrades parades anywhere.
    Again, I have nothing against gay people, and do have several friends who happen to be gay. I do believe that they should enjoy all the rights and privileges that come along with being a tax paying American. I just dis-agree with cording off roads, and shutting down businesses so that I can listen to a day (or longer in some cities) of why I should try being a prisoner for a day.

    • Well, okay… they bug you, but there really isn’t any kind of delineation between what is, and is not a legitimate reason for having a parade. 1.2 million people show up annually for Canada’s Calgary Stampede, which as near as I can tell is all about pancakes. There are Easter parades all over the place which hold zero interest for non-Christians, (like me) but I wouldn’t dream of taking them away from anybody. Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade is much more about advertising Macy’s than it is advertising Thanksgiving, (otherwise Macy’s would let Thanksgiving pay for it) and Philadelphia’s Mummer’s Parade, one of, if not the city’s biggest event, is held to celebrate bar acts.

      In fact, I would opine that a parade is really just a big party that moves down the street instead of staying in someone’s kitchen. It’s about the fun for everyone participating. And no matter the reason, someone won’t think it’s something worth celebrating. (Like sports events. Ugh.)

      In any case, I think it’s great that you are open minded enough to allow that what people do privately is no one’s concern other than their own. However, the idea that this group may publicly celebrate while that group may not is still bigotry.

      • As someone who lives in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (about 2 hours away from Calgary) I can tell you that while the Calgary Stampede has Pancake breakfasts, it is actually a rodeo and a fair (mostly about cattle and horses). It is a lot of fun, and I would not compair it to a gay pride parade, not that I have any problem with gays or them having parades. Personally I think there is more to their parades than there is to the big parade in New York every year for Christams. That parade has lost all meanin. Christmas is no longer about family, it is a super mass-consumer season. That parade just celebrates the fact that people are spending lots of money (quite often money they don’t have) to make large corporations richer. Personally having a parade to raise awarness to the prejeduces that you go threw as a gay and trying to gain more equal rights, is a much more valid statement than a christmas parade showing how North America worships money.

  3. You have a valid counterpoint.
    … I’ve spent the past week trying to think of something to say in defense of my previously stated position… But I can’t.

  4. Of course gay marriage should be allowed! I mean, if you love someone you should be able to bind your stuff and soul to them, IF you want. Unless this someone is an animal/child/car..