698 – White Smoke Mountain • 66

by Kevin Pettway on August 18, 2010


Tim August 18, 2010 at 12:15 am

I’m guessing Martin sat down to hide his erection.

Kevin August 18, 2010 at 7:13 am


orald August 18, 2010 at 9:31 am

Or maybe he was hoping for a bit of a treat from Bunker. Though in Bunker’s case that’s not just a bit.

Erin August 18, 2010 at 1:52 am

Is someone’s alignment falling toward neutral now? >:)

Kevin August 18, 2010 at 7:14 am

Can a character’s alignment change from player out-of-game actions?

Bobby T August 18, 2010 at 11:03 am

I’d say definitely not. Maybe.

Erin August 19, 2010 at 2:14 am

But also, aren’t most players likely to set their alignment base don reflections of their inner selves?

Maybe the player behind bunker’s character is slipping toward a more neutral alignment? :P

Kevin Pettway August 19, 2010 at 7:58 am

Some folks do, Erin, some shoot for the opposite. That’s more or less a matter of taste I think.

Chris.nl August 18, 2010 at 1:53 am

Bunker didn’t notice the teary eyes?
Nor the “your asking me to do something bad…-with you?-”


bad mental image BAD

orald August 18, 2010 at 6:43 am

There’s nothing bad about this BAD mental image.

Kevin August 18, 2010 at 7:15 am

I think Bunker notices what he wants to notice.

Stephen August 18, 2010 at 3:22 am

martin needs to ditch the hat, and since when he isn’t the smartest one in the group? didn’t bunker basically accuse martin of not being smart enough to solve the puzzles?

Kevin August 18, 2010 at 7:16 am

Did he?

Retiarius August 18, 2010 at 6:54 am

Heh. Well, they are talking out-of-character, which brings up an interesting thought:

Can an evil player play a lawful good character?

(Yes, I know it’s silly to apply a D&D-style alignment system outside D&D.) :P

Kevin August 18, 2010 at 7:19 am

The alignment system doesn’t even work well in the game. It’s not so much silly to try and apply it to non-game usages as it is unworkable.

Chris August 18, 2010 at 9:20 am

I like to think that all Lawful Good characters are Evil. Only evil people follow rules to tyranical levels.

Go Chaos!

orald August 18, 2010 at 9:47 am

Yea, go Chaos! Blood for the Blood God!

LG, or any kind of Lawful, doesn’t mean unthinking, unquestionable devotion to the law, only the bare minimum of paying respect to it. It goes “up” from there up to what you described.

And there are all kinds of laws, as much as there are kingdoms/cities/communities, so which one do you follow and when? It’s not like a LG paladin would start stabbing people in the back on the first Sunday of each fortnight while chanting “Blessed be Banjo the Clown!” just because he happens to wander into the Totally Peaceful People’s Republic of Orald and it happens to be in the codex, right after “Thou shalt not equate North Korea to TPPRO, we’re totally peaceful after all”.

Damn, those dictators sure are having a great time…

Connell August 18, 2010 at 11:54 pm

“Blessed be Banjo the Clown!”

SOMEONE reads Order of the Stick

Other than me that is

Kevin Pettway August 19, 2010 at 7:59 am

I thought OotS was still really popular. I like to read it.

Rox of Spazhouse August 18, 2010 at 8:32 am

Alignments? Who needs Alignments?

Ron August 18, 2010 at 8:40 am

My car needs an alignment. It pulls to the left just a bit.

orald August 18, 2010 at 9:49 am

So does my national media. Know a good, cheap mechanic?

Kevin August 18, 2010 at 10:11 am

I like to play with alignments, but only because I think they’re amusing and kinda stupid. I would NEVER penalize a player for an alignment infraction.

Ron August 18, 2010 at 10:35 am

It depends on the infraction, but I might. The one that always gets me is the player who believes “true neutral” means that the druid has to change sides multiple times during a battle in order to maintain balance.

Christina August 18, 2010 at 12:38 pm


Vincent August 18, 2010 at 1:19 pm

Guess you can live with dead brain cells.

Ron August 18, 2010 at 1:22 pm

Sadly, I’ve met more than one gamer who believed this.

Kevin Pettway August 18, 2010 at 2:48 pm

Me too.

orald August 18, 2010 at 3:36 pm

I still think that’s hilarious, and hope that if Dead Gentlemen Productions make another Gamers movie that they include that bit.
Somewhat less amusing when actually playing, but only a little.

Bobby T August 18, 2010 at 2:30 pm

not even a paladin?

Kevin Pettway August 18, 2010 at 2:48 pm

If a character consistently acts in a manner that’s pretty far from his stated alignment, I might ask him to change it… but that’s all. I suppose that could cause an issue with a deity in the case of a paladin or cleric, but there’s no reason it has to.

orald August 18, 2010 at 3:44 pm

As I see it, divine-oriented char’s are probably the only ones that need to align themselves and their deeds with their deities. There’s a reason why the deity grants its pawn those little miracles, so if the pawn strays from the recommended path there’s no reason for the deity to continue granting them powers.
I guess they can change to the worship of another deity, but otherwise they’ll be stuck without their divine powers.
Besides, you know how jealous and stuffy those gods are, it’s more likely you’d be struck by lightning if you promise them worship but go against their wishes.

Gary August 18, 2010 at 5:54 pm

I.ve always felt that all dieties shopuld be described as “chaotic neutral”. They benefit from, and will thus reward the worship of any being, regardless of that being’s alignment. This means we must view their behavior as essentially chaotic. We ought class their behavior as neutral on the good-evil axis since we don’t possess their understanding of consequences.

orald August 19, 2010 at 5:00 am

I think most deities also want you to be compatible in mind and heart as well as in deeds.
Say one evil guy kills another evil guy who just happened to be a big enemy of some goody-two-shoes faith, would the deity or the worshipers like the killer just because he slew an enemy?
An enemy of an enemy is not always a friend, and while some straying from the path would usually not result in total power shut-down etc(also depending on how strict the deity is), as all mortals are imperfect and “sin” a bit, anything big should result in some kind of negative reaction.

The guideline should be “staying in character”- it’s not about the strict alignment written on your sheet, it’s about what you are as a whole.
It could be “little” things that I guess people would let slide, like if you say your char’ is stern and cold but you end up being the center of revelries, which should perhaps get at least a remark from the DM, or bigger things like a goody-paladin slaying some beggar because he really annoyed him*.
BTW, that’s a kick-ass quest line.

Maybe alignments should be looked on more as anchors, anchoring char’s around them and not letting stray too far off.
A good char’ is still capable of more “neutral” activity on a daily basis, but is more inclined to be good in most situations, and would have to be provoked hard enough to do evil.
A neutral one would usually be neutral of course, but are capable of going equally into good/evil territory, but usually only mildly so, not to the extremes.
And the evil char’ just doesn’t care about doing evil things, but would usually not be a cartoon-ish villain or be evil to everything around them(unless they’re mad of course), but more neutral.
Richard the warlock from LFG is an example of a crazy, homicidal evil to the extreme(and we love him for it), and not your typical evil char’.

*In Oblivion’s Knight’s of The Nine DLC pack there’s just such a case where the offending knight was wearing part of the “The Nine”**-created Divine Crusader armor and consequently it dropped of him and got stuck in place so no one could use it until they proved they were goody-goody enough.
**The main gods*** in the TES series.
***Actually they were eight back when they made the armor, Talos ascended later according to what you learn there.

Don B. August 19, 2010 at 9:57 pm

I have to say that Richard is hands down my all time favorite character from any media of all time. He has the best visual design of a necromancer I’ve ever seen, is so over the top and cracks me up every time. Orald, do you remember when he went fishing using himself as bait? “I once caught a fish this big.” I laughed for weeks over that one. I gotta figure out how to create links one of these days.

Rock August 18, 2010 at 9:34 am

Okay, yeah. o_o I think Martin is beyond crushing on Bunker, and is well into ‘pining for’-territory. Interesting. I wonder how bad this thing will turn out if Martin gets it into his hindbrain that this means he and Bunker are getting closer to one another because of this.

Kevin August 18, 2010 at 10:12 am

Interesting question…

Rock August 18, 2010 at 12:43 pm

To which the answer shall remain shrouded in mystery until the time you have chosen to reveal it, hmm? :p

Elfguy August 18, 2010 at 1:08 pm

Let’s see…how would I change the module? Assuming this DM is only reading each encounter as the party comes to it (As would seem to be the case, since he clearly didn’t read it ahead of time) – how about putting a teleporter room that can transport the party to any other classic AD&D module?

POOF! Against the giants. POOF! Expedition to the barrier peaks. POOF! Descent to the undercity. POOF! Queen of the Demonweb pits. POOF! Ravenloft

(Only a masochist would want to go to ‘Tomb of horrors”)

Kevin Pettway August 18, 2010 at 2:50 pm

Or someone who already knew where the sphere of annihilation was hidden.

Aikidrake August 21, 2010 at 11:41 pm

sphere of annihilation…. I’m getting all tingly.

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